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Raising funds for Prop 8
WWMJBD?
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JP posted a great idea, and I'm pimping it here.

If we're going to keep fighting for equality, we'll need to raise more funds. JP suggests gathering at someone's house for a potluck dinner, and donating the money we would've spent dining-out towards the cause.

JP says:

"I really think that if small groups of us do a "Potluck for Equality" twice a month, we can, as a community, raise a lot of money for our cause, and have an enjoyable evening at the same time."
 
We'll be setting some of these up in the 619 very soon. Maybe some of y'all can do the same, if you're up for it.
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Keith Olbermann: Special Comment on Prop 8
Mike - Los Angeles
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WOW. An amazing, emotional Special Comment from Keith Olbermann about Prop 8. A must-see.

Watch the video here (MSNBC, 6min 30 sec, work-safe).



(If you can't view the video, read the transcript, though the video is much better.)

Update: Send an e-mail to countdown@msnbc.com and letters@msnbc.com to thank Keith and MSNBC for the commentary. (Thanks to [info]mongobear for the heads-up!)
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Prop 8: Protest at LDS Church Headquarters in Salt Lake City
BYU Cheerleader Barbie
[info]sluggobear
WOW.

This is so surreal for me.


Salt Lake City No on Prop 8 Rally from Reid on Vimeo.

Prop 8: Maybe it's time to zag...
Mike - Los Angeles
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Prop 8 was a huge loss for us. But this is not the end, just a setback.

So now what do we do?

From Wikipedia:

Beating is the procedure by which a [sailing] ship moves on a zig-zag course in the direction that the wind is blowing from. No sailing vessel can move directly against the wind, but that may be the direction it wants to go. Beating allows the vessel to advance against the wind direction.

We're traveling upwind, and we've been zigging for a long time. Maybe it's time to zag.

Given such a great disappointment, it's easy to react quickly. But stop... we need to think... and then we may even need to re-think. Paul Hogarth says (emphasis added):

This is no time for making excuses, or inspiring words that we're part of a greater struggle. Our right to marry just got taken away from us, and we've got to be smart if we're going to get it back.

Our initial reaction has been angry. There's been a flood of "fuck you's" (Twitter, LJ, Facebook, blogs like Suck my Dick, California!) There's been de-friending on LiveJournal. There's been blame-throwing and flame-throwing. (Even before the election, my friends were flipping-off Yes-on-8 supporters on the street.) All along, we kept chanting the same thing: "hate! bigotry! discrimination!"

While "hate and bigotry" may describe a portion of our opposition, they don't apply to everyone who voted in support of Proposition 8.

Let us take some time to listen to our opposition. Rod Dreher says:

I expect that the anger among the gay community and their supporters over this result will make rational discussion of the matter impossible, at least for a time. But what I would like to see is an honest reckoning over why Prop 8 won, something that goes beyond, "They hate us! They hate us!"

Sadly I'm in agreement with this statement. Our community is hurt beyond words. But right now some of us are probably seething at the notion of "an honest reckoning of why Prop 8 won." People, we need to dissect this. We need to examine the scene of the accident. Instead of chanting "hate! hate! hate!" we need to ask ourselves: what can we do to convince our fellow citizens that this inequality is wrong?

In order to win the game you must understand your opponent. I fear that many of us don't understand the opposition at all. NOW CALM DOWN. I did NOT say condone or excuse them. I did not say their actions are justified, nor did I say we shouldn't be angry. (We should.) All I said was that we need to better understand them.

The worst thing we can do is tell them to fuck-off, or dismiss them as insane fucktards.

From an essay (unrelated to Prop 8):

Inflammatory language just increases hostility and defensiveness; it seldom convinces people that the speaker is right. (Actually, it usually does just the opposite.)

Likewise, all opponents should be treated with respect. It doesn't help a conflict situation to treat people disrespectfully; it just makes them angry and less likely to listen to you, understand you, or do what you want. No matter what you think of another person, if they are treated with respect and dignity -- even if you think they do not deserve it.

A lot of blame has been thrown at groups (blacks, old people, Mormons, San Diego County residents...) There are people who feel strongly about the matter... on both sides. And for many, no amount of campaigning would change their minds. But there's a big group of people in the "squishy middle." Maybe they heard both sides, and likely voted based-on the fear that was sold to them. We need to speak to these folks and convince them that "no one is free while others are oppressed."

And we need to evaluate how effective our campaign was. What really worked? (Something tells me it wasn't lawn signs or rallies.) Where did we fail? For one thing, we should've more effectively countered the slime that was thrown at us via television ads.

And some of us, myself included, need to ask ourselves if we did enough. (Yup, I donated to the campaign. I spoke with my family about it. But I didn't take any time to talk about it with my non-gay friends, co-workers and fellow citizens. I'm now regretting that.)

More soon.

Home Invasion Ad (Prop 8)
Mike - Face pic
[info]sluggobear
Dunno if anyone else saw this.

Discrimination
Mike - Los Angeles
[info]sluggobear
In California, we've been seeing a lot of TV ads for Prop 8... both for and against. I never really thought any of them were very all that good.

This one, however, I think conveys the right message. (YouTube, 30sec, work-safe.)


Congratulations Nick & Rob!
Mike - Happy
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Photo by crimsonsaint1 on Flickr.

Nick & Rob tied the knot last night! OMG, so happy for you guys!

And so happy to have you guys both in San Diego now!

(Rob = [info]crimsonsaint, Nick = HskyRxBear)

Salt Lake Tribune Columnist on gay marriage: I don't care
Mike - Face pic
[info]sluggobear
Kirby on gay marriage: It's official - I don't care
By Robert Kirby - Salt Lake Tribune Columnist - 10/23/2008

A couple of years ago, I wrote a column in which I announced my official position on gay marriage. Basically, I don't care.

Not only do I not care if gays get married, it is none of my business. As a flaming heterosexual, it's a full-time job for me just to keep my thoughts clean in church. I don't have the energy to fret about somebody else's libido.

The column must have resurfaced on the Internet. I'm getting mail again telling me what a failure I am as a Mormon because I'm not solidly behind Proposition 8. As I understand it, the California ballot item would prevent the domestication of homosexuals. Or something like that.

Here are just a few of the attempts to get me to see reason.
  • "Are you a member or not? Do you want gays to get married in the temple? Please follow the brotheren's [sic] council [sic] on Proposition 8. This is a important gospel principal [sic]." G., e-mail.
  • "No unclean thing can enter the house of the Lord. Gays are unclean because of the Scriptures. You have to be hot or cold about it or the Lord will spat you out." T., e-mail.
  • "Were you listening in church when the letter was read from the First Presidency about supporting proposition eight?" R.Y., e-mail.
  • "Get with Prop 8 or your [sic] a homo." Anonymous, letter.
Hard as it is to counter such brilliant logic, my position hasn't changed. The only serious concern I have about gays getting married is that they'll register someplace pricey.

The church is serious about the sanctity of marriage. I get that. But aren't more potentially "dangerous" marriages already being performed out there?

For example, I hear in church all the time about marriage being ordained of God. But I also hear about how the glory of God is intelligence.

Shouldn't it be against the law for stupid people to get married? What's more harmful to society - two well-dressed men getting married and settling down, or two idiots tying the knot and cranking out any number of additional idiots?

You should have to pass a harder test to get married than the one we currently have. Essentially, there are but two questions: "How old are you?" and "Is that your sister?" Hell, you could pass this test just by guessing.

There are drawbacks. Most people get married when hormones and youth make them about as dumb as they'll ever be. So, even a relatively easy test would by default raise the age limit to about 40.

With an increased marriage age limit, there would be fewer births. Genealogy would become easier to do. With fewer births, there would be fewer children born gay. Hey, isn't that what Heavenly Father would want?

OK, I was just kidding about that. But if you're really serious about putting a stop to gay sex, let them get married.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10798657

My sister rules...
Mike - Face pic
[info]sluggobear

Check-out this little promo... my sister [info]missalphabet designed the clothes!


GOP's Danforth slams gay marriage ban
Mike - Face pic
[info]sluggobear
Just back from Coachella! I hope to post review and pictures soon.

In the meantime, check this article out. Wow.

GOP's Danforth slams gay marriage ban
http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20060501/co_po/gopsdanforthslamsgaymarriageban
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